I’m watching part of the twin dumbasses of Ray and Kirk debate with the Rational Response Squad here, and one of the arguments Mr. Banana uses is essentially “everything has a creator, so god did it”. When he is asked, however, “what created god?” he’s perfectly comfortable with god being eternal, and having no beginning and no end. I’ve heard this same argument from countless Christians.

“Something had to have created the universe, therefor it was my specific god!”

“What created god?”

“God is eternal, he has always existed.”

“Why can’t the universe be eternal then?”

“Because everything needs a creator.”

I don’t understand how you can accept an eternal god, but not an eternal universe, especially when you consider how unbelievably complex god would have to be. The early days of the universe were incredibly simple, just a huge mess of energy. No matter, no light, no god, nothing but unsane heat. How do you rationalize the creation of something so simple with something as complex as an all-knowing, all-powerful being?

I just don’t get the argument, it’s amazingly weak. I’d have a much easier time if they just stipulated that their god was the god of Earth, or even just the god of Christianity. But for some reason, they need their god to be the god, the only god (ignoring the fact that the bible makes it pretty plain that Yahweh was the god of Israel, but not the only god).

If you want to believe in myths and fairy-tales, go for it, I’ll never change your mind. Just, please, don’t try to pretend you can prove your religion is true. You can’t, it’s not possible. Jesus could come back tomorrow, raise the dead, heal the sick, and show the Vatican what gold’s for. It still wouldn’t prove the existence of god, just a being more powerful than we are (or that I’ve gone completely insane).